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Set you phasers to FUN, and to Stun! In the latest WarZ episode we are arguing over The Captains, the Ships, the weapons, the side characters, and so much more. Join your host, OptimusSolo and his panel that includes, SCP21, Birdman Dodd, and FridleyCent as they fight over which part of the franchise is better. This is…
Trek vs Trek!!!!!!
Let the games Begin…
#1: The Iconic Ships
The USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) vsThe USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-D)
#2: The Captains
James T Kirk Vs. Jean Luc Picard
#3: Science Officers
Spock Vs. Data
#4: Chief Engineer 
Scotty Vs. Geordi La Forge
#5: Security Officers/Navigators
Pavel Chekov & Lt. Sulu Vs. Worf & Tasha Yar
#6: Doctor
Leonard Bones McCoy/Nurse Chapel Vs. Beverly Crusher/Katherine Pulaski
#7: Communications
Lt. Uhura Vs. Deanna Troi
#8: Number 1 Bridge Officer
No one Vs. William Riker
Just kidding!
#9: Klingons & Romulans: Old vs New
#10: The Bridge
#11: The Phasers & Weapons
#12: The Best Villains
Gorn, General Chang, Khan, Commander Kruge, Harry Mudd
#13: Uniforms, Clothing
#14: The Music
#15: The Games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Star_Trek_games
#16: The Movies
Which franchise has had the better overall movies?
Star Trek: The Motion Picture 1979
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan 1982
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock 1984
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home 1986
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier 1989
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country 1991
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#17: The Most Quotable
KHAAANNN!
–Captain James T. Kirk in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
- –Mr. Spock in numerous episodes and movies.
Highly illogical.
–Mr. Spock in numerous episodes and movies.
Live long and prosper.
–Mr. Spock in numerous episodes and movies.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
–Mr. Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
I have been and always shall be your friend.
–Mr. Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
He’s dead, Jim!
–Doctor Leonard “Bones” McCoy in many episodes of Star Trek: The Original Series
Dammit, Jim!
–Doctor Leonard “Bones” McCoy in many episodes of Star Trek: The Original Series and the movies.
I’m a doctor, not a (Fill in the blank).
–Doctor Leonard “Bones” McCoy
I’ve giv’n her all she’s got captain, an’ I canna give her no more.
–Montgomery “Scotty” Scott in many episodes of Star Trek: The Original Series
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Engage!
–Captain Jean-Luc Picard in many episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation
Make it so!
–Captain Jean-Luc Picard in many episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation
It is a good day to die/ Perhaps today is a good day to die!
–Worf says variation of “a good day to to die” a number of times. “It is a good day to die” was said in the Star Trek: The Next Generataion episode Sins of the Father. Worf says, “Perhaps today IS a good day to die!” in Star Trek: First Contact
Resistance is futile.
–The Borg in Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Voyager, and Star Trek: First Contact
Shields up! Rrrrred alert!” — Riker (practically every episode!!!)
#18: The Writing
#19: Critical Acclaim
#20: Overall Franchise
In your opinion, which is the superior franchise overall?
Geeks:
Kevin “OptimusSolo” Thompson
Steve “Megatron” Phillips
Mike “The Birdman” Dodd
Matt “FridleyCent”
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So overall I enjoy the concept of this podcast idea. Have a little issue with the execution. Mainly shouldn’t the categories be weighted in some manner? Are weapons nearly important as writing? Of the series overall shouldn’t that be worth the most? Not that it mattered this episode. Just saying having all these areas be equal is problematic.
That’s kind of the point though is to compare meaningful stuff and stuff that’s just off the wall silly. It’s more meant to be a fun geeky comparison of two topics and not as much of a drop down drag out theoretical dot your i’s and cross your t’s comparison. For example, when we did Silverhawks vs Thundercats, we compared things as silly as the show logos. etc.
Or theme songs etc.
I have to agree with Kevin with this entire Star Trek Into Darkness thing. I never got the hatred for that movie as a non Star Trek fan. I have issues with it and don’t think it completely measures up to the ’09 film but I’d still put it the higher end of Star Trek movies. Which in all honesty I’m only a fan of a handful of them to be fair.
Yea, my main problem is that the list of complaints from ‘trek fans’ (which I believe I belong to that group) just comes across as a list of things people don’t like for ‘nostalgic’ reasons or because they think it ripped off the original film. Its a fandom thing where if you don’t make enough nods to the original you get crucified (aka Michael Bay) or if you make too many nods and homages you still get crucified (aka Into Darkness). Me personally, I would take the two Star Trek reboots 100 times over the Transformers/Turtles reboots.
I will say we need a REAL discussion on that film. I don’t hate it as it is decent as an action Star Wars film. But the too many stolen lines and lazy reversals in the form of the Khan line made me dislike it. In addition to where is the rest of the fleet? Is Khan really that bad when Starfleet did what they did to him in this version? The science of the Enterprise somehow being able to withstand being underwater. It’s these questions that irritate me. Would I take this over the TMNT or Transformers reboots hell yes but it irritates me as a huge fan of the franchise to see the science of it and the duplicate line writing in AREAS of this film begin to look like the Star Wars demo reel Abrahms has built.
Star Trek Into Darkness is one of the dumbest Science Fiction films I can remember. No one knows how to make smart decisions in that ENTIRE movie. Khan was wasted. Completely wasted. J.J. Abrams just wanted things to look cool. He didn’t care the story sucked or that he has yet to make things characters into more than generic carbon copies of the original. Can’t just blame him. That script, oh that script. Did they write one up then use it for target practice then never went back to the MASSIVE plot holes they created.
I am glad I have someone in agreement with me here.
Again no valid arguments here or specific details…just generic “script is bad” “plotholes” “I dont like it” arguments. This can’t lead to any form of discussion since you give me no specific reasons as to why these were bad or why Khan was ‘wasted’
I did some of it below. If you can’t see how Khan was wasted then you’ve got clouded lenses on.
I’m all for that – As I said I’m just tired of the lack or points coming from many on that side of the debate.
No I agree with you, if you’re going to hate on it have a legitimate set points of attack just not say it was bad. I get your end of that argument completely.
I have legitimate beef with it but I have specific points. I didn’t hate the movie but do think there were some adjustments that could have made me overlook some of the issues I had.
The issue with STIT is it was handled so poorly. All the talk that it wasn’t Khan than it really was. And they tried to make it this big reveal that did not work. The moment at the end of Star Trek II works when Spock dies because that relationship was built up forever. Spock and Kirk are barely Facebook friends by this point and we are supposed to feel pain for them
leaving each other? Come on. Lets not forget calling future Spock because JJ needed a reason for us to think Khan was a bad guy and the script didn’t do that. Into Darkness is not nearly the worst Star Trek movie. It is a huge letdown from the last one.
minor letdown possibly, HUGE letdown? I think that’s going to far.
I have to agree with Kevin with this entire Star Trek Into Darkness thing. I never got the hatred for that movie as a non Star Trek fan the majority of the issues I hear Star Trek fans bring up I don’t consider. I have issues with it and don’t think it completely measures up to the ’09 film but I’d still put it the higher end of Star Trek movies. Which in all honesty I’m only a fan of a handful of them to put in perspective.
Glad to see Next Gen won cleanly. It is far superior to the original in nearly every way. The only edge I give to the original are quotes and in the movies.
Yea it was hard for me to find more then 4-5 areas to give to TOS. I can see Spock over Data, Bones over Crusher, Quotes, Movies possible, maybe Scotty over LaForge and Games because I know nothing about them. Outside of those to me the rest are slam dunks for TNG
Yeah there were areas where TOS and TNG were so tight of a decision for me it made things difficult. However having the knowledge on a majority of it I’d be still a TNG fan unless counting the TOS films.
Well the right side won. I will say I am more a Kirk guy though. If I was going to be Captain I’d rather be Kirk. Let’s just say, he had more fun.
nah, I’d take Picard any day over Kirk!
I am more Kirk but Picard has his moments too. I’d still take either one over any other Trek Captains.
I agree I’d rather Piccard over Kirk. But I see why someone would rather be Kirk over Piccard. Kirk lived life like a space rock star.
Ok let’s leave Into Darkness for another show. This is the TOS vs TNG. SO those reboots don’t actually take place here. Thanks for the comments on it so far but let’s discuss the main points please.
This was fun. Good podcast. I must say though I much prefer the Pirate vs Ninja or Baddass debate. I feel like with debates like this one. Ones that happen all the time. People come in with their steadfast opinions and there is not much wiggle room. It’s like when people try to debate sport teams. Loyalties to your favorites always tend to win out.
Most of us did try. I was torn almost the whole time because I have such love for both series. It really was a slight choice above the other on most of the parts for me.
Yea I do think everyone gave good reasons for their choices and it wasn’t just fanfare. For debates like this one I think it just comes down to taste. Is Data BETTER than Spock. Well maybe. Depends on what you are
looking for. Something like the Pirates episode was more fun to listen to cause there were unexpected debates and you never knew where an argument would come from. Not that I didn’t like this episode by any stretch of the imagination. I just like the other one better. Just an issue of taste I guess.
I can see that.
That was my main goal in trying the Pirates vs Ninjas was to change things up and bring a ‘different’ kind of Warz to the table. Don’t fret though, we will be mixing in ‘both’ styles of Warz along with our Tournaments in the episodes to come! :)